A version of Odin’s Cross, also known as the Celtic Cross or Sunwheel
There was a time when I was, as many others were or still are, a Christian WN. Some have even opted to adhere to a form of Protestantism called Christian Identity. It’s an interesting ideology but it is, like all other forms of Christianity when one attempts to combine with forms of nationalism, a fundamentally flawed ideology. Christian WNs typically fall into two categories: 1) the belief that God has a new Chosen and that the Church IS Israel. They believe this because the old Chosen have abandoned God by following Satan (as Christ had even told the Jews that their father is Satan, not God) and willfully and maliciously committed deicide. They also believe that the Anti-Christ will be a Jew based on some passages from Revelations. 2) the second group are the Christian Identity folks. They believe they are the legitimate Jews and the current people who falsely claim to be Jews are in fact Khazar imposters. They declare that the lost tribes of Israel are in fact the Aryan tribes and are, therefore, the true inheritors of Israel.
I was part of Category 1. Christian Identity (CI) was just too silly for me. But I guess anyone can read the Bible and get what they want out of it. You’ll find a lot of Category 1 folks in Catholicism and Orthodoxy, especially since these two Christian sects retain many pagan traditions (and are therefore appealing to those that are folkish). And anyway, Category 1 makes far more sense. But you are still left with one big fundamental problem: your entire religion still revolves around Jews and you still believe your pagan ancestors were dirty, smelly uneducated fools that worshiped Satan. Sometimes when persuasion by facts doesn’t work, persuasion by mockery may be necessary. And WN pagans did mock and ridicule. When you can’t get through to a Christian, this method is probably necessary. If they are not too far gone, it may just work.
I do browse and post on 4chon’s /new/ and 4chan’s /pol/; yes, they are full of degeneracy, aspies, trolls, and full-retard autism. But, I must admit, they helped in “red pilling” me, both politically and spiritually in their brutal free-speech sort of way. They pointed out the flaws in WN Christian beliefs — like the fact that they worship a Jewish Rabbi named Yeshua and a desert-dwelling Jew-god named Yahweh. 4chon’s /new/ was pretty good at bringing a steady flow of ridicule for the Christians, especially by the infamous “pagan spammer”.
I think these threads get the point across. Ah, the beauty of anonymous free speech. But I digress; Various concepts found in Christianity are not, in fact, Christian nor Jewish. If you had a hard time understanding what the Trinity was in Christianity, you probably won’t grasp the even deeper and more profound meanings in paganism: how can one god be one but three at the same time; how can one god be three different entities at once with different personalities? These were all pondered long long ago by the Platonic Greek philosophers and probably pondered long before them. The closest you can get these days to the old pagan concepts other than Catholic-Orthodoxy would probably be Hinduism, though that evolved into its own thing long ago, but the concepts are still there. Try reading the Vedas and see if they make sense to you. Hopefully, they will make sense.
Perhaps this is why paganism is esoteric in nature and not open for all like Christianity. This way, only those that can grasp the concepts are accepted — it’s spiritual eugenics. Christianity will take anyone. Not even the Jews do that. Though, there is no “central command” in paganism, so we’ll get all sorts of New Age idiots that bastardize paganism and treat it as if it were Christianity but with more gods or like a live-action version of Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying. All this aside, I think we’ve figured out by now that a large chunk of Christianity (Jewish nonsense aside) is taken directly from pagan rituals and beliefs. The very idea of one true creator god itself (the Monad) comes from Greek philosophical schools like the Pythagoreans and of course the various incarnations of Platonism and Neo-Platonism. And while I am not sure how true this is, I’ve even heard that Emperor Constantine even thought about implementing a version of Neo-Platonism before going for Christianity instead as the official state religion.
Of course in all likelihood you have heard how the Jews were the first to come up with monotheism and how the Greeks stole their material. Quite the contrary, you see. Jewish philosophical thinkers that came up with Kabala simply recycled European Gnosticism and then claimed credit. People like Philo Judaeus did precisely the same. It’s much the same with Christianity — recycle old ideas, feed to masses, claim credit, kill off competition. The whole idea of a Christ-like figure isn’t anything unique that the Jews came up with either. It’s another example of the recycle/claim credit method used to fool goyim. The Biblical Christ is really a composite character of a couple of different European gods with a bunch of Greco-Roman philosophy tossed in for good measure. We know about light-bearers, that were seen as beacons of intellectual and spiritual light, like Apollo, Baldr, Odin, and so forth. We of course know how Christianity later treated them: they were made the Devil or one of his minions and Odin was even turned into a wandering Jew in Christian folklore. It’s a shame, really. What was previously good, like honor and enlightenment then became what was bad and sinful.
For now, I will leave you with a screenshot from a 4chon/new thread:
Yep, and lets not forget that despite most of them ditching god now, modern day self hating lefties are very very christian in their mindset. After all, all this idiocy we hear about everything good for us being bad because it is “selfish” could only exist within the christian/islamic/add your favorite nutty universalism mindset.
One issue that has to be said is that while talmudic judaism does not like jesus, islam and the kabalists like jesus. The masonic kabalists (who have a religious ingroup definition of jew much like christians) tend to worship the different savior figures of different nations including jesus.
Also, it really isn’t a coincidence that most academic versions of baalist mythology come jam packed with references to OT verses because that’s either their god or the guy that they ripped a whole bunch of their stuff off of. Putting it that way, how many people want to worship baal? Not many I’m guessing which is probably part of the big joke here.
As a Catholic, I am curious about what practices you consider pagan in origin.
Firstly, I am not a believer in any Zeitgeist nonsense, like their erroneous conclusions on the origins of Christianity. That being said, I am a believer in giving credit where it is due. Some of the core beliefs and practices are very pagan. The idea of virginity before marriage; the Trinity; celebration of Easter; The connection between Mary and Venus; the Pope having the Latin title Pontifex Maximus; the connection of Christ with Dionysus, Apollo, Jupiter, Odin; bread and wine being holy (the Eucharist); the connection with St. Peter and Jupiter/Thor; as I said, it is my belief that if one were to strip away all Judaic elements of Catholicism, what would remain would be similar to the official Roman cult of state, centered around Jupiter.
This would be like like cleaning up after Katrina! My hope is to establish a framework where it can begin to be clearer. There are some similarities as you noted. Some view them as causal, but there is good reason to see the parallels as a progression. That the human mind can imagine something outside of the dimensions of the universe is significant. Animals cannot appreciate anything beyond the three obvious dimensions. We can be aware of the 4th dimension of time and what is beyond the universe only if we have something in to us that is not limited by the restrictions of the physical world.
Thus, humans not only had a conscience, but were aware of the possibility of the supernatural even in advance of inputted knowledge from the supernatural.
Back to paganism. Some actually believe that the celebration of Christmas on Dec. 25 is proof that it is pagan practice, not Christian in origin. When Christmas was designated on Dec. 25, it was the “shortest day” of the year (because of the gradual error of the Julian calendar). Pagans had a celebration for the “Sun”, as days would start becoming longer again. Christians’ decision for that same day was two-fold: 1) to celebrate the arrival of the “Son” 2) evangelizing would be more successful with a sharing of that day to open the doors to communication and conversion.
The Pope as the “highest” priest/bishop is a continuation and advancement of the Jewish tradition. Catholicism has Jewish roots, no question about that.
Equating the Virgin Mary and Venus is odd. Venus, the goddess of love and essentially sex, was not the standard for non-divine goodness. Mary, as mother of God, was the new Eve — mother of the Church and, unlike Eve, sinless.
Then, there’s Easter, the celebration of the Resurrection. Could the pagans have had a preview of this? Perhaps, but it doesn’t make Easter godless except that to be politically correct, only the “Easter” bunny and chocolate, etc. are “acceptable.” Lets’ see, Christ was the “new Adam” of the new Covenant. Bread and wine was first celebrated by Melchisedek as another “preview” to the Last Supper and its beginning of the Eucharist. St. Peter is not a deity in any sense of the word, so how he is equated with Jupiter is a real mystery.
I’m sure I’ve left some points out. Suffice it to say, just as in statistical correlations, closeness or similarity does not prove causality. Experimental design or other tangible means can prove hypotheses in situations where science is competent. For the rest, that often unnerving concept of faith is needed. To everyone, I wish the best in the search for meaning in this life!
LOL too much. I see someone got into the old Tom Metzger pictures.
” the second group are the Christian Identity folks. They believe they are the legitimate Jews and the current people who falsely claim to be Jews are in fact Khazar imposters. They declare that the lost tribes of Israel are in fact the Aryan tribes and are, therefore, the true inheritors of Israel.”
Actually those guys are hilarious. Imagine that religion spreading over Europe. Europeans claiming that they are they real Jews and persecuting the Jews for being imposters. How would the Jews react to that? Their Christianity turned against them?